Contents http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/december_108/contents A New Day http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/a-new-day A New Day http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/a-new-day Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Dear Friends, http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/dear-friends4 Dear Friends, http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/dear-friends4 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 To Change or Not (Just When We Figured Out the Other Question) http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/to-change-or-not-just-when-we-figured-out-the-other-question To Change or Not       (Just When                                                                        We Figured Out the Other Question) http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/to-change-or-not-just-when-we-figured-out-the-other-question Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 "Miss me but let me go" http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/miss-me-but-let-me-go   "Miss me but let me go" http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/miss-me-but-let-me-go Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Honouring Mel Lehan http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/honouring-mel-lehan    Honouring Mel Lehan http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/honouring-mel-lehan Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Carnegie Pool Room: 9-Ball League http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/carnegie-pool-room-9-ball-league Carnegie Pool Room: 9-Ball League http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/carnegie-pool-room-9-ball-league Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 HOARDERS ANONYMOUS http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hoarders-anonymous HOARDERS ANONYMOUS Meeting Sunday, December 7, 6pm Carnegie’s Classroom II, 3rd Fl. ‘Hoarding’ is keeping lots and lots of things, money or animals. People who hoard have difficulty making decisions about the things they keep. Everyone is welcome! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hoarders-anonymous Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 All Members of SFU’s Thursday Writing Class -with Elee and Eljean http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/all-members-of-sfus-thursday-writing-class--with-elee-and-eljean All Members of SFU’s Thursday Writing Class with Elee and Eljean * We are planning our chapbook!\ Email your 2 submissions: <A href="mailto:eleekg@telus.net">eleekg@telus.net</A> include a 2-3 sentence biography beginning “[Your name] is …” * final deadline is December 15 * Meeting to check the layout of your work will be Friday, January 9 at 2:30 * The chapbook will be launched in January ‘09 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/all-members-of-sfus-thursday-writing-class--with-elee-and-eljean Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Twas the nite before the election http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/twas-the-nite-before-the-election Twas the nite before the election and all through the city The voting boxes were fixed Oh what a pity The liberals were giggling NDP were aghast Green party was worried Again they'd be last The mayor grumbled Then farted in his chair Yelled cope with this I am everywhere The room then exploded To council's delight So for you happy voting Kiss your future good nite  http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/twas-the-nite-before-the-election Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Recommendations for changes to the (CCCA) By-Laws http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/recommendations-for-changes-to-the-ccca-by-laws Recommendations for changes to the Carnegie Community Centre Association (CCCA) By-Laws November 27, 2008 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/recommendations-for-changes-to-the-ccca-by-laws Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Capilano University Partnership Award Goes to Carnegie! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/capilano-university-partnership-award-goes-to-carnegie Capilano University Partnership Award Goes to Carnegie! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/capilano-university-partnership-award-goes-to-carnegie Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Pivot calls for private security ban http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/pivot-calls-for-private-security-ban   Pivot calls for private security ban http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/pivot-calls-for-private-security-ban Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 If you are fed up with a government that: http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/if-you-are-fed-up-with-a-government-that If you are fed up with a government that:  *refuses to raise the minimum wage while giving top advisors huge pay hikes  *lets homelessness increase almost 400% while wasting $500 million on mismanaged pet projects *allows health care wait lists to grow while spending tens of millions on self-congratul atory advertising      then get involved. <A href="http://www.bcndp.ca">www.bcndp.ca</A> http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/if-you-are-fed-up-with-a-government-that Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 The Learning Centre -Happy Holidays! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-learning-centre--happy-holidays Happy Holidays! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-learning-centre--happy-holidays Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 LOVE UNDER THE REPUBLICANS*(OR DEMOCRATS) http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/love-under-the-republicansor-democrats     LOVE UNDER THE REPUBLICANS                   (OR DEMOCRATS) http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/love-under-the-republicansor-democrats Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 UNDERMINE http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/undermine UNDERMINE “I am not amused,” said god who has just bveen indicted into some Hall of Fame. God heard – god came – god saw & god left his gift which was his shame, the remainder of your time is mine alone to give, who has been naughty & who fricken cares, deep down below this rock refrigerator temperatures do not compare so don’t take your compassion out on us! The false confidence that works for you gets paid in spades or at least the 2 of Clubs [the lowest card in the deck :(] –how fair is that? Like finding a wallet with ID & money just before the crime scene people get theirs to share, twinkle twinkle little star who the hell I mean Hello! it’s only the world that can’t stand who we are, like running a marathon backwards by mistake & then it hits you like a speeding car now with some dope in your 24/7 life you could have become the new definition of how far is far and more importantly be our very own FrankenChrist Superstar. Damn you to Hell, oh that’s right, you’re not very far away anyway so for the very last time: “Someone’s won a Brand NEW CAR –the other things you won can be redeemed at Adolf Hitler’s Bazaar (where else could you get a reindeer head to mount on your new Tough Guy car); like getting a pellet gun for Xmas and ‘Golly Gee! What’s next, getting a real gun?!” & ammo for porch lights to gun fights at the Kindergarten Corral… Don’t try undermining let alone understanding why this is entertainment like fighting a battle over who goes to war but please be reminded maybe even blinded but all in good fun. There is one thing I will never know: when people begin running for their lives did they lend it, lose it or do they know exactly where they are – so9 many things not to understand my clock says Get out & learn you functionally illiterate – the last of my kind now would you kindly erase me & rewind and bum what’s left For a full transcription send your soul to “GODS R US” to receive a picture of dying children & the golf course we’re building adjacent to our banquet hall: your credit card # please; if you die we will handle everything, prayfully yours, one of the God/Satan Ice Cream family helpers wishing you Good (no such thing) Luck.                             By ROBERT McGILLIVRAY http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/undermine Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Guilt Of Denial http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/guilt-of-denial Guilt Of Denial Like laptop dancers kicking inside my head, I didn’t see the movie but Rosebud was the sled; the next celebrity twin birth will be one body & two heads, as if they needed credibility think of what can be denied right after it’s been said. When the world begins making you smaller stand up on your cigarette soapbox stand so you can holler & be taller When that card game gets of wallet have a look around for the sucker because if you don’t see ‘em THEY’ll all be looking at you man, like asking for directions & being given the obituaries does every word entering your brain knock another out?  Kind of like betting on horses to cope in alphabetical order when you were boprn were you incubated in some sort of diabolical disorder recorder? There is no pleasure in this sentence – I can fully assure you of that, for what is worth the fall of this Earth will be sure & swift SAINT MINUS where the hell in Hell are you.. somewhere between nothing & everything; I entered and was given my ticket stub of approval, then I let my dollar store vision lead the way.. is that why I must be present for my removal  Now I’d be lying if I said life is just to suffer, more filler, right now in Africa a band is playing they call themselves Death*Hunger*Disease & Young. I take it we’re staying it should be a killer, the gig that is, not the people of the Land; one day you will do whatever you want but only after dirtying your hands with the guilt of tomorrow’s ghostly haunts – here it comes the never-ending barrel of denial plus more of tomorrow’s guilt, like trying a recourse meal: the top layer is silt.  You will not win but this is no contest but contempt for close-minded people we must go through the insanity routine anything but & the idiocy begins as the abolition is now final, there is now no such form of face as a smile NO sir, No dice, no exit & never think twice, this is no game show no cars being won like finding the set list of what the band played on the Titanic with tears in their eyes – what was their encore? Probably something called Where the Hell is the Shore!? but with no hope in the mind’s eye, BUT with no help in sight history is being made we will take time later to find bodies floating in GOD’s bay, for every lost soul that night how many began it with the words Have a great day! & then we pray. Good day?                              By ROBERT McGILLIVRAY “Now and then there is born a person so unlucky that he runs into accidents which started out to happen to somebody else.”        - Don Marquis http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/guilt-of-denial Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Drug Addiction Awareness Week http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/drug-addiction-awareness-week Drug Addiction Awareness Week http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/drug-addiction-awareness-week Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 HUM 101 Documentaries - December http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hum-101-documentaries----december HUM 101 Documentaries  - December Saturdays, Carnegie Theatre, 6:00pm http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hum-101-documentaries----december Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 The Canoe Launch http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-canoe-launch The Canoe Launch                           By Tracy Teeple http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-canoe-launch Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 23rd Annual North American NATIVE ART & CRAFT FAIR http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/23rd-annual-north-american-native-art--craft-fair 23rd Annual North American NATIVE ART & CRAFT FAIR  Saturday & Sunday, December 13-14 11:00 pm-6:00 pm both days! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/23rd-annual-north-american-native-art--craft-fair Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 PICKTON FARM RALLY FOR HOPE http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/pickton-farm-rally-for-hope   PICKTON FARM RALLY FOR HOPE http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/pickton-farm-rally-for-hope Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Humanities 101 series: 'What is 'gentrification'?' http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/humanities-101-series-what-is-gentrification Humanities 101 series:         'What is 'gentrification'?' All are welcome to come to the first set of workshops in this series, starting on the evening of Wednesday, December 3 at Carnegie Centre. Long-time Humanities 101 teacher and architect Arthur Allen will teach participants how to read and make architectural drawings, and how to design the cottage of their dreams. Please call 604-822-0028 or email <A href="mailto:hum101@interchange.ubc.ca">hum101@interchange.ubc.ca</A> if you would like to attend this set of workshops. http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/humanities-101-series-what-is-gentrification Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 December at Rhizome http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/december-at-rhizome December at Rhizome Café * Arts Venue * Community Space 317 East Broadway http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/december-at-rhizome Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 the creation of opportunities for the artist in everyone http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-creation-of-opportunities-for-the-artist-in-everyone the creation of opportunities for the artist in everyone You’re invited!!!!!   On December 14, The Downtown Eastside Centre For The Arts will host a Christmas Carol sing-along with special guests..The Solidarity Note Choir. Come join us for “Songs of Christmas”, sweets, hot chocolate, and good feelings. Sunday, December 14, 2-4:00 p.m Interurban Gallery  1 East Hastings St.   We will be announcing our new year programming in the next issue!! http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/the-creation-of-opportunities-for-the-artist-in-everyone Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Bruce: The Musical - A Community Play http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bruce-the-musical---a-community-play Bruce: The Musical - A Community Play http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bruce-the-musical---a-community-play Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 For Sandy Cameron http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/for-sandy-cameron  For Sandy Cameron                                                    By Rolf Auer    Yesterday (November 8), I attended an event intended both as a tribute to, and a celebration of, Sandy Cameron’s enormous amount of social justice work.    (I have to add here that one can hardly think of Sandy without also thinking of his partner, Jean Swanson, who is also a long-time champion of social justice.  They are perfectly matched.)    The event was hosted by the familiar Downtown Eastsider Diane Wood: artist, poet, and social justice activist.  I wasn’t chosen to speak to the packed audience at the two-hour long event, but I got the impression talking to Diane later that lots of people were left off the list of speakers because there just wasn’t enough time for all who she would have liked to have chosen who could have spoken.  So this article is meant to convey some of what I would have said had I had the chance to speak.    I have been reading Sandy’s beautiful poetry and politically pertinent articles for a long time now.  It is indeed accurate to say that he is one of my major inspirations in my work.    I’ve been reviewing my small collection of Sandy’s and Jean’s books.  I want to share with you some of the inscriptions Sandy has written for me in his books that I have.    From Fighting for Community: Stories from The Carnegie Centre and the Downtown Eastside, (1996; reprinted in 2008 for The Heart of the City Festival): “Keep up your writing.  You help the community.”    From Sparks from the Fire, (2000): “For Rolf, friend and fighter for justice.”    From Being True to Ourselves, (2004): “For Rolf; who has walked on the path of justice for a long time.  Keep writing!  We enjoy your articles in the Carnegie Newsletter.”    (I have other books with Sandy’s works in them, but I am only referring here to ones he has written entirely.)    Sandy has sometimes said to me that I should select some of my columns and compile a book from them.  Well, Sandy, you are a far better writer than me, and I just want to say that YOU SHOULD DO THAT! (too)    But as Sandy (always eloquent) says: “It’s not about ‘me,’ it’s about ‘we’”.  So maybe we should not hold our breaths waiting for such a book from him (as desirable as it would be).    (I’d just like to add a plug here for Jean’s Poor-bashing: The Politics of Exclusion; still current and still available.  I’ve been to meetings where Jean has called down some hoity-toit with the epithet, “That’s poor-bashing!” much to that person’s chagrin.  (Former short term NDP Minister of Social Services Dennis Streifel comes to mind here.  So does former Province reporter Kathy Tait.))    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”—Edmund Burke, (British Statesman and Philosopher, 1729-1797)    Sandy Cameron is the antithesis of that quote.  Please keep writing, Sandy, your words of justice are rain on parched earth.    I’d like to end this article with the closing lines of a poem of Sandy’s which he mentioned yesterday, and which happens to be one of my favourites.  It’s from Being True to Ourselves and it’s titled “One Hundred Years of Struggle”: http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/for-sandy-cameron Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Hello people http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hello-people2 Hello people Well I’m in the hospital and it seems - as usual. I went to my dialysis last Monday and they decided to keep me because my foot was acting up. I t seems like that foot acts up whenever it wants to. They said they would keep me for a few days and then they said a week or so and now its gonna be another 10 days or so. I decided I’d stay as long as it takes to get my foot back to where it doesn’t hurt. Either that or they can cut the damn thing off. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired. I miss my normal everyday life all though being in the hospital does have some advantages. Like pretty nurses who give me their undivided attention when I talk to them. They keep asking me if I need anything but as usual I don’t need anything. I sure am getting my fill of medical personnel. And there are so many of them that I can’t keep track of who’s who. I get about 4 or 5 different people every shift and then there are student nurses, different doctors and other personnel. It seems to be the norm to have as many different people as possible. I guess its some kinda teaching hospital. Lot of new faces but it gives me a chance to talk to a lot of new friends and find out about stuff I know nothing about. Like this morning – I met a new nurse who put a sorta plastic cast on my foot. I say sorta because its not a cast, its just plastic wrap that they hook a machine up to that sucks out all the air and somehow this promotes healing in my foot. I got a chance to look at it this morning because 2 doctors put on the original one on Friday and it seemed like they didn’t know what they were doing all though the wound looked really good this morning. After it heals they are gonna place a graft over it and I shouldn’t have any more trouble with that foot until the next time I buy a pair of shoes. I’m not looking forward to getting a graft taken out of my thigh. I hear it hurts like heck. Tuesday – well i got a shock this morning. A doctor came in and started lecturing me on some of the offensive things that I’ve said to the personnel. It seems that I am a Lecherous old fool and am propositioning the women personnel. I can’t remember propositioning or doing anything out of hand but I guess whatever they say is gospel so they had to talk to me and warn me not to go around insulting persons who’re doing their job. I don’t know if its insulting people or teasing them but I guess its wrong to try to make people feel easier about the job that they’re doing. Well i should know better than to try and make people’s job easier especially when I hardly know what they’re doing. I mean I just try to make their job a little easier by talking to them and it helps me to relax when some one is poking at my body but I think I know where the line is and I don’t cross it. If I don’t like someone I don’t talk to them and the ones I do like I make sure that they feel comfortable working with me. I guess there are some people who just can’t be reached by joking around. I mean I laugh or am pleasant most of the time but they really hurt me this morning and I am actually thinking about signing myself out of this little bit of hell. I don’t know of anyone who likes being in the hospital and especially not me but ya gotta do what ya gotta do and being here now is the best thing for me. The worst that can happen is that I lose my foot. And that’ll probably happen in the future anyway, so I just lose my foot a lit bit sooner. Sometimes writing helps me sort things out so I hope this allows me to stay in the hospital. I’d hate to sign myself out because someone doesn’t like me and is just in a bitchy mood. There are 2 of the nicer nurses working with me this morning but after that doctor came and talked to me I quit talking to them. They may or may not be the ones who complained about me but I have no way of being sure of anyone now so I guess I just have to relax and keep to myself and hopefully my foot will heal sooner rather than later. Weds. – I felt a lot better after writing down my feelings and now I don’t know if I should send it in to the Newsletter or not. I guess I will as it did make me feel a lot better. I went back to my room and apologized to the student nurse for ignoring her before I left. She took it in stride and carried on with her job just like a professional would. I salute her.  Well i have to get this sent and I snuck away from the ward to do it. They tracked me down and made me drink a juice because my sugar level is to low. They changed my foot dressing this morning and it sure is looking good. I’m really feeling good about this treatment although I’m gonna have to stay here at least one more week. This computer or keyboard sure is lousy. I keep having to go back and fix mistakes. So I guess I’ll leave and come back later for a different machine. Have a good week.  –hal http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/hello-people2 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Downtown Eastside Writers' Jamboree http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/downtown-eastside-writers-jamboree Downtown Eastside Writers' Jamboree http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/downtown-eastside-writers-jamboree Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Perspective http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/perspective2 Perspective http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/perspective2 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Perspective or The Eyes of a Child http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/perspective-or-the-eyes-of-a-child Perspective or The Eyes of a Child http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/perspective-or-the-eyes-of-a-child Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 'It was an ID ten T error.' http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/it-was-an-id-ten-t-error. I was having trouble with my computer. So I called Richard, the 11 year old next door whose bedroom looks like Mission Control, and asked him to come over.    Richard clicked a couple of buttons and solved the problem.   As he was walking away, I called after him, 'So, what was wrong?     He replied, 'It was an ID ten T error.'    I didn't want to appear stupid, but nonetheless inquired, 'An, ID ten T error? What's that?  In case I need to fix it again.'    Richard grinned.  'Haven't you ever heard of an ID ten T error before?''   No,' I replied.   ‘Write it down,' he said, 'and I think you'll figure it out.'     So I wrote down:       I D 1 0 T http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/it-was-an-id-ten-t-error. Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 MEMORIAL FOR OUR MURDERED WOMEN http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/memorial-for-our-murdered-women  MEMORIAL FOR OUR MURDERED WOMEN http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/memorial-for-our-murdered-women Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 To Mayor Robertson and members of Council 12/1 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/to-mayor-robertson-and-members-of-council--12/1 To Mayor Robertson and members of Council   12/1/2008 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/to-mayor-robertson-and-members-of-council--12/1 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Dockside squatters move inside – success? http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/dockside-squatters-move-inside--success Dockside squatters move inside – success? http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/dockside-squatters-move-inside--success Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Bank pulls funding on DTES luxury condos http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bank-pulls-funding-on-dtes-luxury-condos Bank pulls funding on DTES luxury condos http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bank-pulls-funding-on-dtes-luxury-condos Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Goodbye http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/goodbye  Goodbye http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/goodbye Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 BC has highest poverty rate in Canada for 5th straight year. http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bc-has-highest-poverty-rate-in-canada-for-5th-straight-year BC has highest poverty rate in Canada for 5th straight year. http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/bc-has-highest-poverty-rate-in-canada-for-5th-straight-year Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Upscale Bistro poor-bashes residents outside the 44 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/upscale-bistro-poor-bashes-residents-outside-the-44  Upscale Bistro poor-bashes residents outside the 44 http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/upscale-bistro-poor-bashes-residents-outside-the-44 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Mapping brings out community spirit http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/mapping-brings-out-community-spirit Mapping brings out community spirit   http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/mapping-brings-out-community-spirit Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600 Get ready for the 2nd Annual Poverty Olympics http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/get-ready-for-the-2nd-annual-poverty-olympics Get ready for the 2nd Annual Poverty Olympics http://www.carnegie.vcn.bc.ca/get-ready-for-the-2nd-annual-poverty-olympics Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:03:21 -0600